— Andrei Zayakin from Dissernet discovered that in Russia forty thousand criminal cases and imprisonments are very likely related to the fact that drugs were planted and the case was falsified. After “blowing off steam” on such a super-resonant topic, is there a chance of new high-profile cases when people really finally unite, and it won’t matter at all what these or other opinion leaders think - people will still take to the streets?
“I believe that the chances of this are very high and, moreover, it is inevitable. What we are now seeing is the formation of massive new rights. This is partly similar to what happened in 2011, well, we won’t take 2012, the dynamics there were already high. That a considerable group of people are still ready to come out, despite the fact that they are trying to bring down the dynamics, despite the fact that these people are under pressure. That is, society is changing literally before our eyes. The readiness for mobilization is much greater than six months ago. Much more. It will grow. But in order for this readiness to turn into something effective, you need to practice, that is, go out onto the streets.
Risk taking will increase when people see something new. As soon as we feel that there are several tens of thousands of us, and moreover, when these several tens of thousands behave a little more organized, and there are chances for this, that is, some kind of organizing principle will appear, then the behavior of these people will be different. Not immediately, but gradually, such three or four mass actions will be required for people to begin to behave differently, and the flip side is for the police to become afraid of them. I say this quite thoroughly: there are not many police and riot police in Moscow. And it is quite possible to force them to keep their distance, or at least force them to stop the atrocities that they demonstrated on June 12.
— Well, it felt like all the personnel were kicked out.
- Only half, the list of riot police in Moscow is only three thousand people. But these include drivers, office staff, in reality there are not many of them, you know? And as soon as twenty-five to thirty thousand people take to the streets who are ready to resist, who have some kind of organizing principle, the situation will change.
— Valery Dmitrievich, already on the day of our broadcast I had the following observation: in particular on Strastnoy Boulevard, I saw that people know that they will be screwed, but they are not afraid of it, they are ready for it. Moreover, I saw how young guys simply clearly stood in a clutch in order to grab each other’s hands and make it difficult, so to speak, to isolate someone from the crowd. Older women did the same.
— Yes, the older women were determined. The situation has changed in our heads, it is changing, and in order for this change in our heads to become part of our behavior, some more time must pass. Some processes take time to mature. But this time is no longer infinitely far away. I can say that next year already, I’m not sure this year, but next year we will see new political behavior.
— Is this the same cumulative effect, Valery Dmitrievich, that everyone is talking about?
- Maybe. Look, it's all starting to pay off. Look, we talked six months ago, a year ago - yes, irritation and hatred accumulate, people’s consciousness begins to change, and it begins to change very quickly. Since the fall of last year, people have undergone a colossal evolution, namely political. And here they write to me from Tuapse: “They used to sell T-shirts with Putin on our beach, they were quite popular, but this year they are not selling. This would seem to be a funny observation, but it seems to me to be a more accurate indicator than sociology. Because this is a classic of marketing: they don’t sell what is not in demand. These small traders perfectly sense the mood of society, the mood of the people who come, and not the poorest people come to Anapa, because vacationing on the Black Sea coast is more expensive than in Turkey.
— In connection with this question, look, the authorities are monitoring the situation, they are aware of it. But why does this stupid attack on people’s wallets and rights continue? I mean raising the retirement age, VAT, against this background there are some absolutely wild stories with infill construction in courtyards, it is clear that they are corrupt, it is clear that there are some fraudulent stories with land surveying, then all these landfills - also corruption stories. Why don’t they somehow want to slow down a little? They understand that people will inevitably take to the streets, because there is simply nowhere else to go?
- You said it yourself keyword- stupid. What do you want from stupid and greedy people? There are two factors that drive them: the lack of ability to think strategically, and the second is greed. They understand that things are coming to an end, they need to grab as much as possible now. This is now a characteristic psychology, characteristic feature a significant part of domestic officials - at least those on whom the solution of economic issues depends. And thirdly, they have experience, they are accustomed to the fact that people do not resist. Remember we discussed this several times? They go by experience. And when they encounter resistance, which turns out to be very effective and irreversible, then the line will be surpassed, broken, and, as it turns out, it will be impossible to win back. Those people whom we are now warning privately or publicly, as now, they will run around in terror. And nothing can be done anymore. Even now, I know, a month and a half ago, for the first time, high-ranking officials told me about this, that “things are headed for disaster.” A year ago they didn’t say anything like that, but a month and a half ago they said: “We feel, but we can’t do anything.”
— Well, never mind, just on Friday evening, after the end of the working day, a gorgeous letter appeared on social networks. The district head of the Center for Combating Extremism of the Ministry of Internal Affairs writes from the northwestern district. He writes to the head of the Northern Tushino district council: they say, you know, now various troublemakers are traveling all over Moscow, engaged in propaganda indoctrination of residents and destabilization. He wrote verbatim: “various political and public associations, opposition groups of citizens carry out propaganda actions aimed at attracting the attention of residents to the problems of improvement and renovation in their places of residence,” that is, discussion by Muscovites of poor-quality improvement and cutting is already equated with extremism.
- Whatever you want, there is such a wonderful Russian proverb: “They don’t sow or plow fools. They will be born themselves.” Do these people have to prove and justify their own existence? They cannot say that the Moscow authorities are to blame with their predatory, thoughtless and insane policy of plundering all the resources that this city has. And there are considerable resources here. And violence against Muscovites, since all the authorities don’t give a damn about Muscovites and their opinions.
- Or maybe this is just systematic work, Valery Dmitrievich?
- If only it were so! This is reminiscent of a Soviet joke: “On the seventieth anniversary of the October Revolution, posthumously award Nicholas II the Order of Lenin for the formation of a revolutionary situation.” I see people who intensively shape this situation, but they do it unintentionally, I know this for sure. They do this out of stupidity, greed, or because they no longer care. Because the main thing is for them to send a report to their superiors so that they are not touched, and to solve their mainly commercial problems. The information that is sent to the federal center from the regions, that goes to the Kremlin, is distorted, it is false, it does not correspond to reality through any of the channels. That is, only what corresponds to the picture of the world of the people making the decision is sent.
— Well, it seemed to us that for more than a year now the authorities have been catching local activists in their yards and for some reason recklessly writing them “rally” articles. It seems that this is the handwriting of the "eshniki". That is, why would a resident who was detained in his yard suddenly be charged with a rally? Or a janitor who came to fight for his labor rights against the theft of his wages is also written that he supposedly went to a rally.
— The methods of work of the special services with political activists are now being transferred to district activists who solve their local problems. Second, these methods receive encouragement from their own superiors, from the central government, since a strategic decision has been made to pursue a “hard course.” Therefore, there is no need to delude yourself about the Golunov case, the course will be tough. They will react to the speeches of troublemakers, “incited by the West,” as “befits.” It’s just that it’s becoming difficult, because it’s very difficult to blame a resident of Chemodanovka, residents of Urdoma, the Arkhangelsk region as a whole, residents of Syktyvkar, that they are being incited by the West or Navalny.
There is a bright palette in the assessments of the figure of political scientist Valery Solovy - he is a spy, a Russian nationalist, and a specialist in indoctrination. The incredible accuracy of his forecasts of certain events in the life of the country, willingly or unwillingly, evokes the idea that the professor has his own network of informants in the vertical of power. The general public recognized Valery Solovy after resonant performances on Manezhnaya Square in December 2010 and on the RBC TV channel.
Childhood and youth
The details of the political scientist’s life available in the sources are not rich in facts. Valery Dmitrievich Solovey was born on August 19, 1960 in the Lugansk region of Ukraine, in a city with a promising name - Happiness. There is no information about Nightingale’s childhood.
After high school Valery became a student at the Faculty of History of Moscow state university. After graduating from university in 1983, he worked for ten years at the Institute of History of the USSR of the Academy of Sciences. In 1987, he successfully defended his dissertation for the degree of Candidate of Historical Sciences.
Valery Solovy’s further work biography continued at the international foundation for socio-economic and political science research “Gorbachev Foundation”. According to some reports, Solovey worked at the fund until 2008. During this time, he prepared several reports for international organizations, including the UN, was a visiting researcher at the London School of Economics and Political Science, and defended his doctoral dissertation.
By the way, some observers and political scientists reproach Valery for his connections with the foundation and the London School of Economics, believing that both of these institutions a priori cannot be carriers of the ideas of creating a strong Russian state. Simultaneously with his work in these organizations, Valery Solovey held a position on the editorial board and wrote articles in the magazine “Free Thought”.
Since 2009, the political scientist has been a member of the Expert Council of the international analytical journal Geopolitika. The magazine promotes the ideas of preserving Russian identity, statehood, and spreading the Russian language and culture. Famous media personalities work in the editorial office - Oleg Poptsov, Anatoly Gromyko, Giulietto Chiesa. In addition, Valery Solovey heads the Department of Advertising and Public Relations at MGIMO University.
Science and social activities
In 2012, Professor Solovey made an attempt to make himself known more loudly in the political arena by creating and leading the New Force party, which he announced in January of the same year on the Ekho Moskvy radio station. Nationalism, according to the professor, underlies the worldview of normal people, since only through such an attitude towards life will there be a chance to hold on to the country.
Despite the fact that the ideas promoted by the party were understood by people, New Force was not registered with the Ministry of Justice. The party's official website has been blocked, its Twitter and VKontakte pages have been abandoned. This is not surprising, given the right-wing liberal position of Valery Solovy: he does not see nationalism as a threat to society, and does not consider it an ideology.
Nevertheless, Valery Solovey continues active work. To date, he is the author and co-author of 7 books and more than 70 scientific articles, and the number of online publications and articles in the media numbers in the thousands. It has long become a tradition in the journalistic community to interview one of the most famous political scientists in the country on every more or less significant issue.
Nightingale’s frank, unvarnished notes on his own blog on the Ekho Moskvy website, on his personal pages in "Facebook" And "VKontakte" get a lot of comments. Quotes from speeches and the professor’s forecasts (by the way, surprisingly accurate) become the subject of discussion and are taken as the basis for expressing the personal position of concerned citizens on the pages of LiveJournal.
Personal life
All that is known about the personal life of Valery Solovy is that the professor is married and has a son, Pavel. My wife’s name is Svetlana Anashchenkova, originally from St. Petersburg, she graduated from the Faculty of Psychology of St. Petersburg State University, and is engaged in publishing children’s literature. teaching aids.
In 2009, together with his sister Tatyana, also a Doctor of Historical Sciences, Solovey published the book “The Failed Revolution. Historical meanings of Russian nationalism”, which the authors dedicated to their children - Pavel and Fedor.
Valery Solovey now
Valery Solovy’s latest book so far is “Revolution! Fundamentals of revolutionary struggle in the modern era” was published in 2016.
In the fall of 2017, it became known that the leader of the Growth Party, a billionaire and Commissioner for the Protection of Entrepreneurs' Rights, would participate in the Russian presidential elections in 2018. At the party's election headquarters, Valery Solovey was appointed responsible for ideology. The professor believes that from a propaganda point of view, the campaign has already been won, and the purpose of Titov’s nomination is to influence economic strategy.
Among Nightingale’s latest “prophecies” are the imminent ripening of a political crisis, the loss of controllability by society, and the worsening crisis in the economy. In addition, on his Facebook page, Valery Dmitrievich expressed the opinion that we should allegedly expect the appearance of Russian volunteers in military conflicts in Yemen, as happened with Libya and Sudan. In other words, Russia will be drawn into another conflict, which will again entail multibillion-dollar expenses and rejection of the country in the international arena.
Nightingale predicts a quick end to Putin’s next presidency, in two or three years, and the reason is not even Vladimir Vladimirovich’s years (much older heads of state are in charge), but because “the people of Russia are tired of Putin.” And then a series of serious changes will follow.
Speaking about a possible successor, Solovey does not consider the Minister of Defense as such, whose candidacy is not directly, but is being discussed in narrow circles. The political scientist drew attention to Shoigu's former deputy, lieutenant general, governor of the Tula region.
On the much-discussed Ukrainian issue and the topic of the US presidential election, Valery Solovey is also straightforward. According to the political scientist, relations with Ukraine will no longer be the same, and Crimea will remain Russian. And Russia, albeit long before the elections, launched attacks, but the victory was due to a successful political strategy, exploitation of the role of the guy next door and mistakes.
Publications
- 2007 – “Meaning, logic and form of Russian revolutions”
- 2008 – “Blood and soil of Russian history”
- 2009 – “The failed revolution. Historical meanings of Russian nationalism"
- 2015 – “Absolute weapon. Fundamentals of psychological warfare and media manipulation."
- 2016 – “Revolution! Fundamentals of revolutionary struggle in the modern era"
The “liberal” crowd (to avoid misunderstandings, it should be noted that this community has the same relation to liberalism as Zh.’s business project called LDPR) has a new idol - the former head of the department of public relations at MGIMO Valery Solovey. His insights from the “corridors of Kremlin power” made him a welcome guest on Ekho Moskvy, Dozhd, RBC, Republic.ru and other media, his constant presence in which forms the community of the “liberal” party, and his fiery criticism of the authorities and decisive forecasts promoted Valery Dmitrievich to the rank of guru. His recent departure from MGIMO, which, according to the professor himself, occurred as a result of “political pressure,” created an aura of persecution around him and gave him a chance to move from the status of a guru to the rank of a civil and political leader. Valery Solovey did not fail to take advantage of this when he announced the formation of a kind of “civil coalition.”
And everything would be fine, but every time Valery Dmitrievich made his rebellious speeches, smashing the Kremlin to smithereens from liberal positions, some bad people sent a video from his speech in Vladimir Solovyov’s “Duel” program, in which the professor performed on Zyuganov’s team and defended Stalin from the “liberal” Gozman.
In this speech, Valery Dmitrievich explained to Leonid Yakovlevich that he and he live “in different countries“, because, “in the country of the Gozman gentlemen, it is customary to spit on mass graves.” In addition, Professor Solovey said that “the consequences of the liberal reforms that took place in the 90s, in terms of their losses, are comparable to what happened in the 30s and which is attributed to Stalin.”
In this two-minute fragment of his speech, Valery Dmitrievich included so many markers characterizing his political and human personality that it is somehow even awkward to decipher and comment on them. “Gentlemen Gozmans”, “spitting on mass graves”... “The losses from the liberal reforms of the 90s are comparable to the losses of the 30s”... Put the cave Stalinists Starikov or Prokhanov in the place of Professor Nightingale and you will hear exactly the same rhetoric.
Last week, Solovey, speaking on Ekho, decided to explain himself, after which he and Leonid Gozman exchanged open letters. First, Valery Solovey explained that any discussions about Stalin are to the benefit of the Kremlin, since they form a “false agenda”: “It is useful to realize that exalted discussions about Stalin are a classic manipulation of the agenda by the authorities: a discussion about the present is replaced by a discussion about the past, which has nothing to do with the present.” End of quote.
To the reasonable question of the presenter why he himself took part in creating a “false agenda” by participating in this discussion about Stalin, Nightingale answered with a disarming smile: “the man is weak and vain.” When the presenter began to inquire why Solovey, who criticizes the authorities today from a liberal position, took part in the discussion precisely on the side of Zyuganov, defending Stalin, Valery Dmitrievich first tried to deny, saying that he “did not defend” either Zyuganov or Stalin, and then, Apparently, realizing the absurdity of denying the obvious, he referred to the “evolution of views.”
Special attention should be paid to the “evolution of views” of Professor Solovy. During the period of that memorable speech on the side of Zyuganov and in defense of Stalin, Valery Dmitrievich tried to ideologically lead the Russian nationalists, created the nationalist party “New Force” for this purpose, and became its chairman. In those days, this is the period 2011 - 2013, Valery Solovey spoke mainly from the stands of nationalist and Stalinist media in the company of such people as Vitaly Tretyakov, Alexander Dugin, Mikhail Delyagin, etc. Evolution and even a revolutionary change of views is a completely normal thing, the whole question is when and under the influence of what reasons it occurs.
In the late 80s - early 90s, the views of many people changed under the influence of a huge amount of new information, including about the past of our country. In 2013, Solovey sides with Zyuganov and defends Stalin from the “liberals” and “gozmans.” And in 2017, he joined the election headquarters of presidential candidate Titov as an ideology curator and declared that this would be the ideology of “right-wing liberalism.” It is difficult to imagine that between 2013 and 2017 Valery Dmitrievich learned something new about Stalinism or liberalism. The reason for the “evolution of views” of Professor Solovy is approximately the same as what, during the years of Soviet power, forced people like him to waver along with the party line, and after the collapse of the USSR led former specialists in scientific atheism to stand in church with candles.
Professor Solovey headed the department of public relations at MGIMO, that is, he is a PR specialist. This profession has its own rules, the main one of which is the priority of the customer’s interests. Valery Dmitrievich agreed to defend the positions of Zyuganov and Stalin - he explains about the “inseparability” of Stalin from Victory. He received an order to create a nationalist party - it will justify the priority of the Russian people and the harmfulness of the “gozmans”. Tasked with overseeing the ideology for Boris Titov’s “Growth Party,” Professor Nightingale will hit the ground and instantly turn into a right-wing liberal, defending the freedom of small business and the delights of a competitive economy.
Professor Solovy has no views, and their “evolution” depends solely on changing conditions. And one more thing. Regarding the insights and forecasts of Professor Nightingale. On the Russian Platform website, where Valery Solovey regularly spoke together with nationalists Yegor Kholmogorov, Konstantin Krylov and his student, Vladimir Thor, on May 8, 2012, his article was published entitled “Vladimir Putin’s Bloody Sunday,” in which Professor Solovey prophesies: “ Putin will not see it through to the end presidential term. Now it's obvious." Further, Professor Solovey indicates a specific time frame for the death of the Putin regime - about six months. “Very soon we will see thousands and tens of thousands crushing police cordons on their way,” says the rebellious professor.
All this, according to Professor Nightingale, should happen in a matter of months. “This autumn there will be a new rise!” - predicts Professor Nightingale. Let me remind you that this was in May 2012. 7 (seven) years have passed. Putin is still in the Kremlin, and Professor Solovey today speaks as if nothing had happened: “In 2020, Russia will face a revolution, a national crisis and regime change. Putin will not see out the rest of his presidential term.”
I know quite a few opponents of the Putin regime who are trying to see in the country and in power some signs of the approaching end of this new type of fascism, and out of impatience they make such predictions, being wrong every time. But Professor Nightingale is a different case. A public relations specialist must radiate optimism when communicating with the customer. Yesterday, Professor Nightingale served the Stalinists and nationalists and “made them beautiful.” Today he caters to the “liberal” crowd and “does beautiful things” for them.
The “liberal” party and the liberal public of Russia, led by it, like a herd of sheep, always follow the “goats-provocateurs” who have left the Kremlin. Be it “Kashin Guru”, or Ksenia Sobchak, or Belkovsky with Pavlovsky, or Prokhorov with his sister, or even Medvedev with freedom, which is “better than lack of freedom”. According to recent studies, aquarium fish do not have such a bad memory that they can be compared with people who make the same mistakes all the time. So for Russian liberals we will have to choose other analogies...
Russian political scientist - about Ulyukaev’s hope, Kadyrov’s pacification and Putin’s pause
In just six months, the main memes on the Russian political agenda have become “a request for change” and “an image of the future,” previously well known only to readers of the newspaper Zavtra. The famous historian, political scientist and publicist Valery Solovey spoke in an interview with Realnoe Vremya about what fills these memes with content, namely about the growing political activity of citizens, the confusion of the elites and the still hidden function of Ramzan Kadyrov.
Appeals from the regions were left to chance: react as you wish
Valery Dmitrievich, you recently wrote on your Twitter that the situation in the country is being rocked not by a conspiracy, but by “stupidity and methodologists.” Apparently, they meant the “Schedrovites” and their main public representative Sergei Kiriyenko? What exactly were the mistakes made by the presidential administration under him?
Yes, they meant advisers close to Kiriyenko from the group of “methodologists”. According to general opinion (by universal I mean the opinion of Moscow political experts and people close to the administration of the President of the Russian Federation), they failed to determine the correct political line of behavior and made a number of mistakes. Related, for example, to the reaction to the events of March 26 and June 12 and, in general, the reaction to the Navalny phenomenon. Do you remember, say, a video in which Navalny is compared to Hitler, or a song by Alisa Vox, which calls on schoolchildren not to go to rallies, but to “start with yourself.” It is clear that the legs in this case grew from the administration. And all this worked to the benefit of Alexey Anatolyevich. I’m not even talking about more serious things, when requests from the regions asking for advice on how to react to Navalny’s upcoming actions were actually left to chance: react as you want. This despite the fact that the vast majority Russian regions(Tatarstan is an exception in this case) needs an understanding of the Kremlin’s position and clear instructions.
This is one part of the problem. The second is that people who are tightly integrated into the presidential administration are increasingly estimating its ability to solve the problems that face the country and specifically the Kremlin. Moreover, there is some contradiction here, because they personally rate Sergei Kiriyenko quite highly. But at the same time, they note that, at least until the summer of this year, he was not able to organize the effective work of the administration. Perhaps this was due to internal opposition. Not everything was fine there; he had conflicts with other prominent apparatchiks. Either it took him a long time to get used to it, or the fact is that when he agreed to go into administration, there was one situation in the country, and now, starting in the early spring of this year, there has been a political revival. That is, a different situation arose, and it was still necessary to comprehend it, understand what was happening, and suggest how to cope with it.
“It was an ‘offer you can’t refuse,’ but Kiriyenko was probably promised a reward if he did his job effectively, that is, ran a successful presidential campaign.” Photo kremlin.ru
- So, Kiriyenko was invited to this position? Didn't he really want her?
This was “an offer that could not be refused,” but Kiriyenko was likely promised a reward if he did his job effectively, that is, successfully ran the presidential campaign. I don’t know what type of reward, but you can guess that we are talking about a post in the government. Maybe about the position of head of the cabinet. After all, for the head of Rosatom, moving to the position of deputy chief of the presidential administration is a loss of status, independence and a significant complication of life.
The elite is experiencing an accumulation of tension, discontent and fear
The trial of former Russian Minister of Economic Development Alexei Ulyukaev has begun, in which the defendant has already accused the head of Rosneft, Igor Sechin, of provoking a bribe. What other interesting things do you think we can hear during this trial?
In fact, we haven't heard anything interesting yet. For political Moscow, what Ulyukaev outlined is no secret - this scenario was discussed long before the trial. More precisely, not a script, but the background of events.
And I think that nothing else awaits us. Ulyukaev, of course, will not reveal any Kremlin secrets, because for him this is fraught with a worsening of the situation. I think he still hopes that his offense will be reclassified to a less serious one, and he will receive a suspended sentence. Or he will be released due to the upcoming amnesty on the occasion of the centenary of the October Revolution. But the fact that there will be no acquittal is absolutely certain.
- It will be a great irony of fate if it is released on the occasion of the centenary of October.
Well, in Russia everything is already permeated not even with irony, but with the grotesque. Look at the story with Poklonskaya - it’s something Kafkaesque. Or, rather, Gogol, Saltykovo-Shchedrin.
“I think that nothing else awaits us. Ulyukaev, of course, will not reveal any Kremlin secrets, because for him this is fraught with a worsening of the situation.” Photo iz.ru
How would you comment on Alexey Venediktov’s assumption that Sergei Chemezov is behind Ulyukaev’s statement?
Yes, anyone can stand. In general, Alexey Alekseevich has a sound idea. Chemezov and Sechin are opponents. And if they are opponents, then Chemezov, as an influential person, can somehow support Ulyukaev so that life does not seem like honey to Igor Ivanovich. But even if Chemezov is behind Ulyukaev’s statement, this does not mean that the verdict will be acquittal. The prosecution will get its way, there is no doubt about it. Ulyukaev will definitely not be able to leave the courtroom with a clean, unblemished reputation. It is quite possible to write over the Russian court, as over Dante’s Inferno: “Abandon hope, all who enter here.” This is just such a hopeless place.
All the fuss will be about what exactly Ulyukaev will receive - imprisonment, probation or amnesty.
That is, this court does not tell us about some tectonic shifts, about a “split of the elites,” as Dmitry Gudkov suggested?
There is no split. A split in the elite is when different groups of the elite have different views on how to build a strategy for the development of the country and society, and not when they are fighting for resources. A split in the Russian elite will arise in one and only case - when very powerful pressure is exerted on the central government from below in the form of popular uprisings. Then the elite will have doubts about its political future and different options of this future.
- Can foreign political pressure split it?
No, it can't. It can - and is already causing - growing tension. But this does not mean that any of them, much less any group, will dare to openly oppose Putin if he decides to go to the polls. This is absolutely impossible.
So far, quantitative rather than qualitative changes are taking place in the Russian elite. There is an accumulation of tension, discontent and fear. The latter is caused by the clause in the American sanctions law, which involves an investigation into the connections of parastatal structures of oligarchs with the Kremlin. Moreover, not only the oligarchs themselves, but also members of their families are subject to the law. This is what they are very afraid of. But these are moods, emotions. There is no action.
“It serves two functions. The first is to maintain stability in Chechnya and maintain stability in the North Caucasus. He is the personal guarantor of stability in this region. And secondly, to act as a support for the regime in the event of mass unrest.” Photo kremlin.ru
“We will face many local protests, which will gradually merge into a national one”
- What role does Ramzan Kadyrov play in the Russian elite, who is already there were a lot, and recently there have been even more?
It performs two functions. First, maintain stability in Chechnya and maintain stability in the North Caucasus. He is the personal guarantor of stability in this region. And secondly, to act as a support for the regime in the event of mass unrest.
- Unrest in Moscow, you mean?
If unrest begins, it will most likely become national. That is, they can cover several cities.
When, say, he talks about his key role in the “Crimean Spring” (as claimed on social networks), is this agreed with the Kremlin?
Hardly. He considers himself a strong independent figure. Kadyrov is by far the most powerful regional leader Russian Federation, significantly more influential than everyone else. Accordingly, he allows himself what no one, including major federal figures, can afford.
What is the reason for the statement of the head of VTsIOM Valery Fedorov that the request for stability in Russian society replaced by a request for change? Especially in light of the fact that Fedorov considers this phase dangerous, I quote: “Revolutionary sentiments appear not in a situation of crisis, but when the crisis is over.”
The very request for change after a twenty-year, if not more, request for stability is a very serious, almost tectonic shift. But we will not find out what consequences it will lead to immediately, but within two to three years. Because changes in people's consciousness are not enough - it is much more important that their political behavior changes. We have signs of such political novelty - this is the participation of people in unauthorized actions, and the Navalny phenomenon. This is what Gleb Pavlovsky called politicization.
“Changes in people's minds are not enough - it is much more important that their political behavior changes. We have signs of such political novelty - this is the participation of people in unauthorized actions, and the Navalny phenomenon.” Photo by Oleg Tikhonov
You just need to be aware that mass dynamics are absolutely and fundamentally unpredictable. We don't know how political activity will develop. I am inclined to believe that it will increase, that is, we will be faced with many local protests that will gradually begin to merge into a national one. And I do not rule out that this will begin next fall.
And the political crisis itself, if we enter into it, and it looks like we are slowly being drawn into it, will last at least two years, most likely even three years. But all this is still a big question mark. Because a change in the mood of citizens does not automatically result in a change in behavior.
Perhaps the very appearance of such a statement from the head of a pro-government sociological structure indicates that the authorities themselves are trying to ride this wave?
No, the authorities are trying to protect themselves from it. She just understands that this is a threat. How to ride?
- Lead the renewal process yourself.
This could be done if one stood for election new person with a fundamentally new national agenda. Which would offer an image of the future. Or if Putin had suggested it. That is, if you and I saw the new Putin. In practice this is impossible, but theoretically it cannot be ruled out.
So you think that Putin will still go to the polls, but will be armed with some vague agenda?
You know, we will know for sure whether he will go or not until October. There are still doubts about this, albeit microscopic. Although everything he does is very reminiscent election campaign. However, until he personally announces that he is running in the elections, doubts will remain.
“You know, we will know for sure whether he will go or not until October. There are still doubts about this, albeit microscopic. Although everything he does is very reminiscent of an election campaign.” Photo kremlin.ru
In the meantime, he says: “I think. I haven't decided yet." Maybe he has decided, but he’s hiding it. Or maybe he really didn’t decide. I can only say that this pause is causing some confusion among the political elite. She would prefer certainty, and the sooner the better.
- Then why do you think that he will announce this no earlier than October?
I don’t think so, as far as we know, those in the inner circle think so. But, again, these are all rumors. He didn’t announce this during the “direct line”. They say that in October it will become clear that Putin has promised to introduce it. Or maybe he will introduce it in November.
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Rustem Shakirov
“Rumors have spread throughout Moscow that the archives are being evacuated from the FSB building on Lubyanka by helicopters.”
Five years have passed since the beginning of mass protests that broke out in the capital in December 2011, after the announcement of the results of the State Duma elections. However, the question “what was that?” still does not have a clear answer. According to MGIMO professor, political scientist and historian Valery Solovy, we are talking about an “attempt at revolution” that had every chance of success.
Valery Solovey reflects on the origins and meaning of the “Snow Revolution” and the reasons for its defeat in an interview with MK.
Help "MK": “Valery Solovey recently published a book, the title of which will scare some, but may inspire others: “Revolution! Fundamentals of revolutionary struggle in the modern era." This work analyzes, first of all, the experience of “color” revolutions, to which the scientist includes the Russian events of five years ago. The chapter dedicated to them is called “The Revolution Betrayed.”
Valery Dmitrievich, judging by the abundance of reassuring forecasts issued on the eve of the 2011 Duma elections, the mass protests that followed turned out to be a complete surprise for many, if not most, politicians and experts. Tell me honestly: were they a surprise for you too?
No, for me they were not a surprise. Back in the early autumn of 2011, my interview was published under the title: “Soon the fate of the country will be decided on the streets and squares of the capital.”
But in fairness, I will say that I was not the only one who turned out to be such a visionary. Somewhere in the first half of September I managed to talk with an employee of one of the Russian intelligence services, who, on duty, studies mass sentiment. I will not specify what kind of organization this is, but the quality of their sociology is considered very high. And I had the opportunity to see that this reputation was justified.
This person frankly told me then that since the early 2000s there had not been such an alarming situation for the authorities. I ask: “What, even mass unrest is possible?” He says: “Yes, they are possible.” When asked what he and his department are going to do in this situation, my interlocutor replied: “Well, what? We report to the authorities. But they don’t believe us. They think that with such horror stories we prove our need. The authorities are confident that the situation is under control and that nothing will happen."
In addition, in the spring of 2011, the Center for Strategic Research, then headed by Mikhail Dmitriev, published a report that spoke of the high likelihood of public discontent in connection with the elections, including mass protests. In a word, what happened was, in principle, predicted. However, between the categories “could happen” and “occurs” there is a huge distance. Even if we say that something will happen with a high probability, it is not at all a fact that it will happen. But in December 2011 it happened.
Vladimir Putin psychologically calculated the situation very accurately when he chose Dmitry Medvedev as his successor. No one else from Putin’s circle would have agreed to the “castling” that took place after the expiration of the first presidential term, Valery Solovey is sure.
There is a version according to which the unrest was inspired by Medvedev and his inner circle. Is there any basis for such conspiracy theories?
Absolutely none. It is noteworthy that the core of the first protest action, which began on December 5, 2011 on Chistoprudny Boulevard, was made up of people who were election observers. They saw how it all happened and had no doubt that the announced results were falsified. Only a few hundred people were expected to attend this first rally, but several thousand showed up. Moreover, they were very determined: they moved to the center of Moscow, breaking through the cordons of the police and internal troops. I personally witnessed these clashes. It was clear that the behavior of the protesters turned out to be an unpleasant surprise for the police. She clearly did not expect such militant behavior from previously harmless hipsters.
It was an unalloyed moral protest. Spitting in a person’s face and demanding that he wipe himself off and perceive it as God’s dew - and this is exactly what the behavior of those in power looked like - one should not be surprised at his indignation. Society, initially offended by the “reshuffle” of Putin and Medvedev, was then warped by the shameless manner in which the party in power tried to ensure its monopoly position in parliament. Millions of people felt deceived.
Another thing is that some people from Medvedev’s inner circle had the idea to use the rapidly expanding protest in the interests of their boss. And they came into contact with the protest leaders. According to some reports, Dmitry Anatolyevich was invited to speak on December 10, 2011 at a rally on Bolotnaya Square. And, so to speak, replay the situation with the “castling”. But Medvedev did not dare to do this. These rumors, however, were enough for a version of a conspiracy to emerge in the minds of the security officers, in which Medvedev participated on the one hand, and the West on the other.
I repeat, there are no grounds for such suspicions. However, the consequence of this version was that Putin for a long time doubted Medvedev's loyalty. The fact is that he, so to speak, is pure in his thoughts and does not harbor “treacherous” plans. As far as we know, suspicions were finally lifted only about a year and a half ago. But today, Putin, on the contrary, considers Medvedev a person who can be completely trusted. This manifested itself, in particular, in the situation with. The attack on the government was planned to be much larger. But, as we know, the president publicly confirmed his trust in the government and personally in Medvedev and thereby drew a “red line” for the security forces.
Were the calculations of the “conspirators” at that time pure projection or were they still based on Medvedev’s position?
I think that they acted on their own, hoping that the situation would “steer” in a favorable direction for their boss and, accordingly, for themselves. I am sure that Medvedev did not and could not give them such a sanction. This is not the same psychological type.
By the way, there are different points of view on how Medvedev reacted to his “non-reaffirmation” as president. Someone, for example, believes that he had absolutely no reason to be upset: he performed brilliantly in a play written at the time of his nomination for the presidency.
I don’t believe in such long-term and echeloned conspiracy theories. I have a feeling - and not only me - that Dmitry Anatolyevich was going to be re-elected after all. But he found himself in a situation where he had to abandon this idea. Psychologically, his stronger partner broke him.
- And he resignedly obeyed?
Well, not entirely resignedly, of course. It was probably a personal tragedy. Sergei Ivanov, of course, would not behave this way. And no one else from Putin’s circle. In this sense, Vladimir Vladimirovich psychologically calculated the situation very accurately, the choice was made correctly.
However, the future looked different in 2007 than it did in 2011. There were some important and still hidden from the public circumstances that did not allow us to say with confidence that a castling would take place in 2011.
You call the mass protest movement in Russia an “attempt at revolution.” But today the prevailing point of view is that the circle of these revolutionaries was terribly narrow and they were terribly far from the people, and therefore did not pose a real threat to the authorities. They say that the rest of Russia remained indifferent to this Moscow intellectual “revolt of the Decembrists,” which therefore was nothing more than a storm in a teacup.
This is wrong. Just look at the results of sociological surveys conducted at the same time, in hot pursuit. Look: at the start of the protests, almost half of Muscovites, 46 percent, in one way or another approved of the opposition’s actions. 25 percent had a negative attitude towards them. Only a quarter. Moreover, even fewer are categorically against it - 13 percent.
Another 22 percent found it difficult to determine their attitude or declined to answer. This is data from the Levada Center. It is also significant that 2.5 percent of the capital’s residents announced their participation in the rally on Bolotnaya Square on December 10, 2011.
Judging by these data, the number of participants must have been at least 150 thousand. In reality, there were half as many of them - about 70 thousand. From this fun fact It follows that at the end of 2011, participation in protests was considered an honorable thing. A kind of symbolic privilege. And remember how many representatives of the Russian elite were at these winter rallies. And Prokhorov came, and Kudrin, and Ksenia Sobchak was jostling on the podium...
“But outside Moscow the mood was different.
Until now, all revolutions in Russia have developed according to the so-called central type: you seize power in the capital, and after that the whole country is in your hands. Therefore, what they thought at that moment in the provinces does not matter at all. This matters for elections, but not for revolutions. This is the first thing.
Secondly, the mood in the provinces was not so different from those in the capital. According to the fund's survey " Public opinion", held nationwide in mid-December 2011, the demand to cancel the results of the State Duma elections and hold a repeat vote was shared by 26 percent of Russians. That's a lot. Less than half - 40 percent - did not support this requirement. And only 6 percent believed that the elections were held without fraud.
It is obvious that the population major cities hesitated. It could well side with the Moscow hipster revolutionaries if they behaved more decisively.
In short, this cannot be called a “storm in a teacup.” In fact, on December 5, 2011, a revolution began in Russia. The protest covered an ever larger territory of the capital, and every day more and more people were involved in it. Society expressed increasingly visible sympathy for the protesters. The police were exhausted, the authorities were confused and scared: even the phantasmagoric scenario of storming the Kremlin could not be ruled out.
Rumors spread across Moscow that the archives were being evacuated by helicopter from the FSB building on Lubyanka. It is not known how true they were, but the very fact of such rumors says a lot about the then mass mood in the capital. For at least two weeks in December the situation was extremely favorable for the opposition. All conditions were in place for a successful revolutionary action.
It is noteworthy that the protest developed rapidly, despite the fact that the government-controlled media, especially television, adhered to a policy of a strict information embargo against opposition actions. The thing is that the opposition has a “secret weapon” - social networks. It was through them that she campaigned, alerted and mobilized her supporters. I can’t help but notice, by the way, that since then the meaning social networks has grown even more.
As Donald Trump's recent campaign showed, they can already be used to win elections. I am now analyzing this experience of using social networks in classes with my students and in public master classes.
- Where and when was the move made in this game that predetermined the opposition’s loss?
I think if the December 10 rally, as previously planned, had been held on Revolution Square, events would have developed completely differently.
That is, Eduard Limonov is right when he claims that the protest began to be “leaked” at the moment when the leaders agreed to change the location of the protest?
Absolutely. At least twice as many people would come to Revolution Square more people, than came to Bolotnaya. And if you are familiar with the topography of Moscow, then you can easily imagine what it’s like to have 150 thousand people protesting in the very heart of the capital, a stone’s throw from the parliament and the Central Election Commission. Mass dynamics are unpredictable. One or two calls from the rostrum of the rally, spontaneous movement among its participants, awkward actions of the police - and a gigantic crowd moves towards the State Duma, the Central Election Commission, the Kremlin... The authorities understood this very well, so they did everything to move the rally to Bolotnaya. And opposition leaders came to the aid of the authorities. Moreover, they actually saved this government. The agreement to change Revolution Square to Bolotnaya meant, in essence, a refusal to fight. And in political, and in moral-psychological, and in symbolic terms.
- What was the name of the yacht, and how did it sail?
Absolutely right. Nevertheless, the opposition retained the opportunity to turn the tide of events in both January and February - right up to the presidential elections. If instead of the fruitless chants of “We are the power here”, “We will come again”, some action had been taken, the situation could well have turned around.
- What do you mean by actions?
All successful revolutions began with the creation of the so-called liberated territory. In the form, for example, of a street, square, block.
- A la Maidan?
Maidan is one of the historical modifications of this technology. In all revolutions, it is critical for revolutionaries to create a bridgehead, a foothold. If we take, for example, the Chinese revolution, which developed according to a peripheral type, then a bridgehead was created in the remote provinces of the country. And for the Bolsheviks during the October Revolution, such territory was Smolny. Sometimes they hold on to the bridgehead for quite a long time, sometimes events unfold very quickly. But it all starts with this. You can even gather half a million people, but it won't make any difference if people just stand there and leave.
It is important that quantitative dynamics be complemented by political, new and offensive forms of struggle. If you say: “No, we are standing here and will continue to stand until our demands are met,” then you are taking a significant step forward. Attempts to follow this path were made on March 5, 2012 on Pushkinskaya Square and on May 6 on Bolotnaya. But then it was too late - the window of opportunity had closed. The March and post-March situation was fundamentally different from the December one. If society had serious and justified doubts about the legitimacy of the parliamentary elections, then Putin’s victory in the presidential elections looked more than convincing. Even the opposition did not dare to challenge it.
But December, I emphasize, was an exceptionally convenient moment for the opposition. The massive rise of the protest movement was combined with the confusion of the authorities, who were quite ready to make serious concessions. However, by mid-January the mood of the power group had changed dramatically. The Kremlin and the White House have come to the conclusion that, despite the great mobilization potential of the protest, its leaders are not dangerous. That they are cowardly, do not want and even fear power, and that they are easy to manipulate. And one can only agree with this. Suffice it to recall the fact that New Year Almost all opposition leaders went on vacation abroad.
One of those people who formulated the political strategy of the government at that time told me the following after the fact: “On December 9-10, we saw that the opposition leaders were fools. And in early January we became convinced that they valued their own comfort above power. And then we decided: We won’t share power, but we will crush the opposition.” I quote almost verbatim.
- How far were the authorities ready to go in their concessions? What could the opposition even count on?
Concessions to power would be directly proportional to the pressure on it. True, I don’t really believe that the opposition could have won a complete victory then - come to power. But it was quite possible to achieve a political compromise.
It is known, for example, that the possibility of holding early parliamentary elections after the presidential elections was discussed in the corridors of power. But after opposition leaders demonstrated a complete lack of strategy and will, this idea was removed from the agenda. However, I am not going to accuse anyone of anything. If God did not give volitional qualities, then he did not give. As the French say, they have such a frivolous saying, even the most beautiful girl cannot give more than what she has.
The art of a politician is to discern a historical opportunity, and not to push away from it with hands and feet. History very rarely provides an opportunity to change something, and it is usually unmerciful towards those politicians who miss their chance. It did not spare the leaders of the “Snow Revolution,” as these events are sometimes called. Navalny was subjected to criminal prosecution, his brother ended up in prison. Vladimir Ryzhkov lost his party, Gennady Gudkov lost his deputy mandate. Boris Nemtsov left us altogether... All these people thought that fate would give them another, better opportunity. But in revolution, the best is the enemy of the good. There may never be another chance.
It seems to me that the psychological picture of the “Snow Revolution” was largely predetermined by the phenomenon of August 1991. For some it was a miracle of victory, for others it was a terrible trauma of defeat. The security officers, who saw how the monument to Dzerzhinsky was destroyed, who were sitting in their offices at that time and were afraid that a crowd would break in, have lived since then with fear: “Never again, we will never allow this to happen again.” And liberals - with the feeling that one fine day power will fall into their hands. Like then, in 1991: they didn’t touch a finger, but ended up on a horse.
Let's imagine that the opposition managed to achieve repeat parliamentary elections. How would this affect the development of the situation in the country?
I think that even with the most honest vote count, the liberals would not have been able to gain control of the State Duma. We would be content with a total of 15, or at most 20 percent of the seats. Nevertheless, political system would become much more open, flexible, and competitive. And as a result, very much of what happened in subsequent years would not have happened.
We would now live in a completely different country. This is the logic of the system: if it closes down, is deprived of internal dynamism, competition, if there is no one who could challenge the authorities, then the authorities can make any decisions they want. Including strategically erroneous ones. I can say that in March 2014 most The elite was horrified by the decisions made then. In genuine fear.
“However, the majority of the country’s population perceives the events of March 2014 as a great blessing.
In my opinion, the attitude of the majority of the country’s population towards this was best and most accurately described by the talented playwright Evgeniy Grishkovets: the annexation of Crimea was illegal, but fair. It is clear that no one will be able to return Crimea to Ukraine. This would not have worked even for the Kasparov government if it had somehow miraculously come to power. But for society, Crimea is already an old topic; it is not present in everyday discourse today.
If in 2014-2015 the problem of Crimea divided the opposition and stood up as an insurmountable wall, now it is simply put out of the picture. By the way, I would not be at all surprised by the restoration of the protest coalition that arose in 2011 and included both liberals and nationalists. As far as I know, this recovery is already happening.
How likely is it that in the foreseeable future we will see something similar to what the country experienced in that revolutionary winter?
I think the probability is quite high. Although probability, as I said, does not mean inevitability. After the suppression of the 2011-2012 revolution, the system stabilized. The internal “capitulators,” as the Chinese would call them, realized that they had to sniffle into a rag and follow in the wake of the leader, the national leader.
At the end of 2013, when a system of repressive measures began to take shape in the country, there was a feeling that the regime had cemented everything, that nothing would break through this concrete. But, as usually happens in history, everywhere and always the authorities themselves provoke new dynamics that undermine stability. First - Crimea, then - Donbass, then - Syria...
It wasn’t the Americans who planted this, it wasn’t the opposition. When initiating geopolitical dynamics of this magnitude, you must be aware that they will inevitably affect the socio-political system. And we see that this system is becoming more and more unstable. Which is manifested, in particular, in increasing nervousness within the Russian elite, in mutual attacks, in a war of incriminating evidence, in the growth of social tension.
The turbulence of the system is increasing. By the way, the revolution that took place in our country at the turn of the 1980-1990s, from the point of view of the criteria of historical sociology, did not end. You and I are still living in a revolutionary era, and new revolutionary paroxysms are not at all ruled out.
